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BillyBobTexas's avatar

I love the Flock cameras. Talk to YOUR Police Department. They HELP them find, follow, and catch those they are looking for - all in a very timely manner. Abuses..? Yes. Here's a thought....IMMEDIATELY FIRE ANY PERSON THAT USES THE INFORMATION FOR UNAUTHORIZED USAGE. IMMEDIATELY. TERMINALLY. NO EXCUSES, NOT PROBATION, NO LETTERS IN YOUR FILE. G O N E. !!!

Rod D. Martin's avatar

Yes. As we should for any other police abuses. We have to support our police, but in exchange, we have to hold them accountable. We gave them guns and the power to arrest us, after all.

Tyler's avatar

The negative reaction to Flock cameras is not some left over defensive impulse because we fear leftist control.

Trump was ran as the anti-establishment coming to drain the swamp. The right is anti-establishment now. But Trump ain’t our guy, he’s Israel’s.

In regards to flock cameras, Asmondgold said it best responding to @captive_dreamer on an X post: “Flock is a symptom, recidivist criminals being released into the public is the disease

Unpunished crime makes the public accept surveillance countermeasures like Flock

Put the retards back in the box (and keep them there) and you won't need Flock in the first place.”

Fix the judicial system and you have no need for a mass surveillance state.

Trump is out here talking about amnesty for illegals and more H1B visas for foreigners. We aren’t getting mass deportation because that drives down the need for Flock, Data centers, and oh yeah, Palantir.

Ben Mordecai's avatar

Trump is our guy and not Israel’s. If you think he is Israel’s guy you are not really paying attention.

Recidivism is the problem, but it's not the fault of police. Police have to do their job in the context of the judicial and prosecutorial tyranny that is incumbant. We are working on solving that but it has little to do with the Flock issue.

Allen Baldwin's avatar

The issue isn't data centers per se. It is the manner they are being approved in many places with almost clandestine secrecy and little protection for citizens. We learned from the steel mills and chemical plants that we need them and we need tight controls and accountability. We should apply those lessons!

Complete transparency to citizens, locate them away from urban and suburban centers, demand water recycling with minimal demand, ensure all costs of needed infrastructure are born by the industry, eliminate all tax credits federal and local and require bonding to ensure the land is returned to its natural state of it or any building that is part of it goes out of service.

Brian Roden's avatar

One of the major electric utilities in Arkansas, Entergy, is suing the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette and Arkansas Times over their reporting on their negotiations with Google for data centers in the state.

https://katv.com/news/local/entergy-sues-democrat-gazette-ar-times-for-publishing-secret-google-data-center-details

Allen Baldwin's avatar

Exactly what I'm talking about!

Ben Mordecai's avatar

Fantastic analysis. Like many things, we are refusing to treat this as a governance issue. If we don't like how flock cameras are used, we can pass laws to deal with them. Yes, I am concerned with them being weaponized against good people. So let's just solve that problem.

Rod D. Martin's avatar

Correct. And as to Flock cameras specifically:

1. The Supreme Court did great work on extending Fourth Amendment protections to geofenced data this term. Tech is always going to advance (unless we fall into some socialist dark age). The Constitution is the answer, and we hold enough power now to do something about enforcing it.

2. The idea that blocking data centers, self-defeating on its face, is particularly dumb with regard to this specific technology. Shutting down data centers to stop surveillance is like banning oxygen to stop murders. It's a stupid solution to a problem the Founders actually solved centuries ago.

What they didn't solve is conservative apathy to actually take stock of their situation and act accordingly.